Does a Rife machine harm normal body cells?

[James Peters]

RF of sufficient intensity to cause ALOT of heating over large body areas has been used medically for over 75 years. Back alot more than that if you include spark diathermy that was developed in the late 1800's. Today the technique is mainly used for physial therapy, but it can have a number of other uses. A typical treatment might last 30 to 45 minutes and cause a very noticeable temperature rise.

The FCC's business in all of this is that communications are not interfered with. Medical effects are not their business, but people involved with radio always assume that it is.

[Bob D Reite]

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The FCC's business in all of this is that communications are not interfered with. Medical effects are not their business, but people involved with radio always assume that it is.

No, not true anymore. The interference is a different standard. For frequences up to 30 MHz, "unintentional" radiators can generate a field no stronger than 30 microvolts per meter 3 feet away. (I would assume from the property line, part 15 isn't totally clear on this). But since there has been concern about the harmful effects of radio frequency energy, the FCC has adopted the ANSI standards for RF exposure.

All broadcast licenses now being issued bear the following Special operating conditons or restrictions. "The permitte/licensee in coordination with other users of the site must reduce power or cease operation as necessary to protect persons having access to the site, tower or antenna from radiofrequency electromagnetic fields in excess of FCC guidelines."

Amateur radio operators are also required to evaluate their stations for RF exposure if operating at the higher power levels allowed in the amateur service. For details, including links to OET Bulletin 56, the short version, and OET Bulletin 65, which gives all the details, visit the FCC web site at http://www.fcc.gov/oet/rfsafety/background.html

[James Peters]

Bob,

I am not aware of anyone that is using a broadcast station as a Rife machine, but if they are they should certainly have the courtesy to shut off that 100kw transmitter before allowing anyone on the premises to climb the tower.
Your are mixing up occupational safety regulations applicable to the broadcast industry with medical applications, which are hopefully intentional. We all try very diligently to stay out of the broadcast field, either by intention or accident. In any case the equipment being discussed is in a historical context, though we all really wish one or more of these had been preserved.

If someday somebody can recreate the true Rife effect, I am sure dilligent effort will be made to find a way to build it so it is effective while not making the FCC unhappy. Until then the problem generally remains in the realm of the hypothetical.

James

[William Smith]

I don't think that I would ever try the freq's for the brain but
I have been treated with the rife/bare tube type system putting out about
140 - 145 watts for colon cancer. it took six settings to kill the bad cells.
Now I was drinking a gallon of water (each time I sat before the system)
before the day was over. This was to help clean out the system of the dead
cells. I see some of the so called rife systems costing as much as $4995.95
and it cost me less than $2000 USD to build one of the rife/bare tube type
systems. I am a new comer to this system but will help with any information I
can give. Wonder is the person being treated is drinking enough water to help
clean out their system as have heard that the ones that don't drink enough water have more problems from the side effects of no water cleansing.
Two 8 oz glasses of water when you get up and then start drinking the gallon of water when the treatment begins.
Hope this info will help someone.
Bill

[Leroy Dissinger]

FYI, I am not new to Rife or his machines, although, I have not built one or bought one. I am considering either option at the current time.

I talked with the maker of one machine the other day. He told me that at 5000 Hz, that the machines could actually kill red blood cells...but made the caveat that the red blood cells destroyed were probably malformed or on their way out (about to die) anyway. So, his take was that a healthy cell would not be destroyed, but an unhealthy human cell could be destroyed. I don't know what the carrier frequency was in this particular case.

So, you have to ask yourself....will it kill a healthy virus, bacteria, or mold organisms/cells, etc. My GUESS is that power is the important thing. Rife used much higher power devices than most sold commercially today, therefore, less they are less effective, therefore, at low power normal human cells would have no reaction to any frequency.

Leroy

P.S. I've seen the videos from Rife, John Bedini, etc. I know it will kill stuff...but were they healthy to begin with? My GUESS is that the power in the devices sold commercially today is too low to do any harm to "normal" human cells, but may also be ineffective against "normal" bad guys too (although I do not know why a herx reaction would occur in this case if the power is too low).

[Jim Berger]

Hi Leroy,

I believe you have good questions that need answers that I would like to know myself. I am a medical devices engineer specializing in test, measurement and automation. I am in my early 60's and am hoping to retire soon so that I can start working on these answers full time. We need to determine what specifications of a Rife type machine are important, and then develop, first laboratory and then clinical tests that can help us make intelligent decisions as to the effectiveness of the technology. Rife technology now is certainly outside the mainstream of technology, engineering and medical science.

From what testing I have done so far the frequency, the power level and duration of exposure to the frequency are all critical and must be determined for each pathogen targeted.

I am currently trying to design a solid state base unit that would use National Instruments LabVIEW software to perform and/or monitor tests and document results. I would like to design test methods to verify and validate the use of particular frequencies.

If I am successful with designing my solid state version of a Rife machine, I will share the design and levels of purchase so that others can build the system completely on their own to save money in whatever way they need.

The protocols that we need to write to test and verify efficacy. must be written such that they can be run on any Rife type machine out there from any manufacturer.

Just like any other industry out there, we as a group must define the specifications for the instrumentation, and then its use against particular pathogens. We must develop standards for our industry. I would like to be a part of that group once I retire.

I am myself convinced that Rife technology is worthy of study, from my own experiences. Until the test data tells me differently, I am an ardent supporter. I do believe that exposure time to the correct frequency is important. Let's develop the protocols needed to verify this together and come to concensus among ourselves. I believe the work by Charlene Boehm (www.dnafrequencies.com) is critical to this verification and validation efort.

Best Regards,
Jim Berger

[Leroy Dissinger]

Hey Jim,

I was afraid that the "truly" scientific had left the building on this forum. There have been few posts in the recent past, but power is a key.

Rife utilized 50-60 watts output and the highest one I've seen to date is 18 Watts (maybe Perl is greater than that!).

It is sometimes hard to filter out the people who are sellers of machines on these groups...but after you read for a while, you realize that the people who post the most are probably selling something. That isn't always bad, but is a distraction from the intent and purpose of this forum.

I'm currently reading a document from one of the posts about square wave generation and the odd harmonics it produces....and if they can actually equal a Rife frequency. Quite interesting...and something that I had not thought to much about. I am a EE myself, but have done mostly software throughout my "career". One tends to forget what one supposedly knew when one do not use it. So, I begin again.

From my reading on this forum, there have been hit and miss, healing and death, getting better and getting worse results from this technology. The machines need to be discussed, what they can and can NOT do, How an eight frequency machine is using 1/8 th the power of the total system which would require 8 times the exposure to get the same power out...if that is even possible and MOST importantly, what power is required or how much time is required.

There are some many variables that it is hard to fathom the combinations possible. It is no wonder that people get frustrated and give up...I think that was the goal anyway.

Let's quantify...we must have cultures and kill them. Determine if time is relevant, power is relevant, and what frequencies (with a square wave) work,

Until this is done...people are blindly following a dream...not that, that is bad, but not all that helpful to them or their loved ones.

Leroy

[James Bare]

Leroy,

5000 Hz has been used with long exposures times to treat Polycythemia Vera. I've spoken with two people over the years that had very good responses to 5000 Hz. Their spleens reduced in size and their RBC levels improved. Exposure times were typically around 40 minutes to an hour at 5000 Hz.



>I talked with the maker of one machine the other day. He told me that at >5000 Hz, that the machines could actually kill red blood cells...but made >the caveat that the red blood cells destroyed were probably malformed >or on their way out (about to die) anyway.

[Leroy Dissinger]

Leroy,

5000 Hz has been used with long exposures times to treat Polycythemia Vera.

Mr. Bare,

Thank you so much for your response.

I'm just saying what someone in the "biz" told me. It is not my place to say that 5000 Hz is bad or good. The title of this forum is ... "Does a Rife Machine harm normal body cells". I just reported what a maker of a machine relayed to me...so it is 2nd hand information and would not hold up in a court of law.

You have done a great service to all those wishing to build their own devices...I await your NEW book. Everyone should know about these systems and effects. In addition, power, length of time, instruction on harmonics and sub-harmonics are critical to understand. We (not me) as engineers of systems must understand that others do not "understand" the technical aspects of such systems and effects generated.

Leroy

P.S. I can not believe the great James Bare would respond to anything I could ever write...even if it was to say...how wrong it was.

[Linda Guy]

Leroy,

5000 Hz has been used with long exposures times to treat Polycythemia Vera. I've spoken with two people over the years that had very good responses to 5000 Hz. Their spleens reduced in size and their RBC levels improved. Exposure times were typically around 40 minutes to an hour at 5000 Hz.



>I talked with the maker of one machine the other day. He told me that at >5000 Hz, that the machines could actually kill red blood cells...but made >the caveat that the red blood cells destroyed were probably malformed >or on their way out (about to die) anyway.

Can you tell me which frequencies were used? (I am new to this and recently diagnosed with PV) I have a machine on order. A Programmable Blaster 20 MHz from Pacific Health. Thank you. I know this is an old post, and I hope I receive a reply.