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    Hello,
    What website? I don't see anyone here mentioning a site.

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    Who is the inventor? This is a man who does not know that everyone says that something can not be done and he just does it .
    Thinking does not hurt .Stupidity kills .

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    Hi found these recent articles:

    Non-thermal membrane effects of electromagnetic fields and therapeutic applications in oncology

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02656736.2021.1914354

    Immune Regulation Under Magnetic Fields

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.582772/full


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    Hello,
    Have read the site, interesting but a major error. Cancer has been shown recently to be a DNA illness. Sequencing of tumors cell by cell gives horrible results: the quantity of errors grows during the growth of the tumors to incredible results, up to millions of errors for a cell. Taking account the natural selection, the tumor will escape every treatment, and especially immunologic ones. In my family no one passed the 5 years. It is fun not to give healing results, as the conventional medicine does not outperform in the field! And has progressed very slowly in the last century.
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    They can sure help some with supplemental, non toxic, remedials for both the cancer and the rifing.

    I could not say about rife itself? Never used it alone on cancer or many things? Always part of a treatment strategy and a right fine performing one if you are only asking for what it can do and not expecting an "every time" miracle.

    Some dam miraculous things happen with them sometimes too? It depends on the cancer and the practitioner. One of my all time favorite stories is the fellow who said "My wife had cancer. I took her to a man's house. When she came out, she did not have cancer." It happens. Just at my clinic, we are never totally sure what part of the whole treatment did it and do not make knowing that a priority.
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    Guys,

    We already have all of the chemo and radiation and surgery available to terrorize cells. This would be oncologic cells as well as healthy cells. I do not wish to add anything to this horror. It is an expensive failure.

    I would also say that non-thermal rife effects to cells are subtle phenomenon's anyway, and not worth the trouble.

    What attracted me to Rife Technology is that Royal Rife targeted the causes of proliferating cells, and NOT live cells.

    All of the trouble comes in when we target living cells while the causes of the cells remain. If we target the cells then we are no better than the chemo pushers. When you target the cells then cancer becomes a rich industry and treatment is terrorism.

    This my my two cents for your consideration.

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    Further comment 'edit' I just realized that there is listed 625,536 views on this string, and it is 15 pages long. Wow, congratulations Peter. How many people are going to see my rant ? I think we should defund cancer treatment and research !
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    Hi!
    Of the cases of cancer I know, surgical removal of the tumor is sometimes indicated due to:
    - its volume
    - no metastases
    Unfortunately, this does not remove the causes of cancerous changes in the patient's body and if the dietary recommendations and life behaviors are not followed, the cancer returns even after 6 years.
    Who is the inventor? This is a man who does not know that everyone says that something can not be done and he just does it .
    Thinking does not hurt .Stupidity kills .

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    Hello,
    Cancer is formed each day, due to many causes, the self irradiation by 14carbon and 40potassium (not strong but complicated) is not the least. The problem is the inability of immune system to remove them ALL. It is simple at this stage. When the cells develop and clusterize it is more and more difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanislaw Chmielarz View Post
    Hi!
    Of the cases of cancer I know, surgical removal of the tumor is sometimes indicated due to:
    - its volume
    - no metastases
    Unfortunately, this does not remove the causes of cancerous changes in the patient's body and if the dietary recommendations and life behaviors are not followed, the cancer returns even after 6 years.
    A cell goes through several steps to become a cancer cell. Each step can be caused by a different factor. However, there is one step that is universal to all cancer cells. The cell must flip to anerobic energy production. This is caused by infection of the mitocondria of the cell by the Rife BX BY organism which has been DNA sequenced and is a common organism, bacillus licheniformis. This must be removed to prevent cancer or recurrence of cancer. It is in the food chain. It is even in some probiotic supplements. So we are constantly getting reinfected with this organism. This is why Rife cured many cancers but most had metastatic cancer later. It is also why everyone will get cancer if they live long enough. The book, Tripping Over the Truth, does a good job explaining Nobel Laureate Warburg's analysis of this problem.

    The Canadian Indians taught sailors how to cure scurvy with tea that had Vitamin C. It took 200 years before the head surgeon of the Royal Navy mandated limes be put on all ships. From that point forward the Limey's ruled the waves. It has been almost 100 years since Warburg figured out the root cause of cancer and it will take another 100 years before the right person wakes up.

    Last night I was watching the TV series "Downton Abbey" and the lord of the manor jumped up and vomited blood all over the table during a formal dinner. It was diagnosed as an ulcer brought on by stress. 100 years later we were still saying ulcers were an emotional problem until an Australian physician drank a beaker of H. Pylori and then biopsied his stomach showing ulcer formation. He published and eventually got a Nobel prize for this. H. Pylori is a bad bug but scanners detect it easily today and frequencies make short work of it. Maybe some cancer physician needs to drink a beaker of bacillus licheniformis. Unfortunately it is much slower acting than H. Pylori.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Kerselaers View Post
    Hi found these recent articles:

    Non-thermal membrane effects of electromagnetic fields and therapeutic applications in oncology

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02656736.2021.1914354

    Immune Regulation Under Magnetic Fields

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.582772/full


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    I found the oncotherm patent of Szasz at https://patents.google.com/patent/US9320911/en . They discuss a complex modulation involving some positive feedback from a sensor. I dont understand it all, but you could read it with the clue that the sensor unit is an SWR sensor. They mention 1/f pink noise. I am thinking the initial signal might be either clean sine or clean rectified sine ... and the shape of the mod signal is then further distorted or refined as a fourier sum (with some reference to the SWR feedback sensor input). It may be that the patent text does not clearly spell out the intention of the signal modification .... but it might be as simple as adding just enough odd harmonics (or pink number harmonics, whatever) to get optimal SWR, and it stops adding extra harmonics once this extra action makes SWR worse. If my guess is correct, there is no special clinical or physiological aspect to this signal shaping, but minimising carrier reflection might be clinically optimal anyway (or not). If the mod shape can impact on target impedance, then maybe that is like an electrical engineer's ecstatic experience of sacred

    Why would Szasz play with modulation in the first place ? Maybe because it allows higher peak RF power while limiting heating (related to average power). In older texts he used the term fractal modulation, which I beleive means like flower petals, but it may have some more obscure mathematical meaning.
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    So the second generation oncotherm uses e-fields in order to generate microcurrents that do the job in a background of targeted hyperthermia for the purpose of tissue temperature stabilization for treatment standardization.

    I'm just trying to sort this out, if I am getting it correctly. Seems the Anthony Holland lab method with added tissue temperature heating for better effect. ( Someone previously suggested that Anthony H. needs be add some temp. stabilization to his process anyway)

    Still, my contention continues that these processes are targeting cells with limited success, (20%) while, historically Royal Rife targeted micro-organisms. (method 1.)

    However, seen side effects of the historical Rife therapy (that aimed to destroy micro-organisms) did destroy cancer cells. We have seen that pulsed energies electrocute the coherence of cell division thus limiting tumor growth at the moment of application. (method 2.)Then afterwards the randomness of proliferating cell division resumes.

    Now with oncotherm we get a 3rd method of action, namely bringing the tissue temperature up to some standard and then applying pulsed micro-currents for the purpose of creating apoptosis in the cancer cells.

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    .... but it might be as simple as adding just enough odd harmonics (or pink number harmonics, whatever) to get optimal SWR


    Yes and the patent mentions,

    "
    In the present invention the feed-back is the forwarded energy, and a capacitive coupling is applied."


    Is this another way of identifying a resonant coupling of energy ? In the Rife way the plasma pings pulse harmonics (of the resonant fundamental) all the way up through 1 gigahertz.

    This is the magic of ringing the bell ! This is how resonant coupling works.

    Now we witness oncotherm is not void of a similar magic. Pink noise !

    Seem's oncothgerm getrs it.

    Alan, you even call this "pink number harmonics".

    Pink noise

    Pink noise spectrum. Power density falls off at 10 dB/decade (−3 dB/octave).

    The frequency spectrum of pink noise is linear in logarithmic space; it has equal power in bands that are proportionally wide. This means that pink noise would have equal power in the frequency range from 40 to 60 Hz as in the band from 4000 to 6000 Hz. Since humans hear in such a proportional space, where a doubling of frequency (an octave) is perceived the same regardless of actual frequency (40–60 Hz is heard as the same interval and distance as 4000–6000 Hz), every octave contains the same amount of energy and thus pink noise is often used as a reference signal in audio engineering.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Jenson View Post
    So the second generation oncotherm uses e-fields in order to generate microcurrents that do the job in a background of targeted hyperthermia for the purpose of tissue temperature stabilization for treatment standardization.

    I'm just trying to sort this out, if I am getting it correctly. Seems the Anthony Holland lab method with added tissue temperature heating for better effect. ( Someone previously suggested that Anthony H. needs be add some temp. stabilization to his process anyway)

    Still, my contention continues that these processes are targeting cells with limited success, (20%) while, historically Royal Rife targeted micro-organisms. (method 1.)

    However, seen side effects of the historical Rife therapy (that aimed to destroy micro-organisms) did destroy cancer cells. We have seen that pulsed energies electrocute the coherence of cell division thus limiting tumor growth at the moment of application. (method 2.)Then afterwards the randomness of proliferating cell division resumes.

    Now with oncotherm we get a 3rd method of action, namely bringing the tissue temperature up to some standard and then applying pulsed micro-currents for the purpose of creating apoptosis in the cancer cells.

    dj
    I am going to be cynical and say that first inventors build the circuit of their dreams. And afterwards they make up waffle about how they guess it might have bioeffects.... Some historical background is the old theory that if you exceed 43 C you can kill cancer cells and unfortunately if you hit 45 C you start killing normal cells. This was difficult to safely acheive and the most recent hyperthermia therapies tend to aim lower than 42 C.

    The oncortherm uses an upper cone applicator of limited size and a lower waterbed functioning as a virtual second electrode. The RF irradiated area is thus limited to a defocused shape under the applicator.

    There are other ways to acheive capacitive coupling e.g. using two plate electrodes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Blood View Post
    I am going to be cynical and say that first inventors build the circuit of their dreams. And afterwards they make up waffle about how they guess it might have bioeffects.... Some historical background is the old theory that if you exceed 43 C you can kill cancer cells and unfortunately if you hit 45 C you start killing normal cells. This was difficult to safely acheive and the most recent hyperthermia therapies tend to aim lower than 42 C.
    Oncortherm aside, there are patents that address just that. The thing is to give direction to the RF emission through proper antennas. Gorgun developed a software just to calculate where to focus the RF energy, taking into account skin depth, far mass, skin color, and other factors that influence the delivery.
    Rife was using a diathermy machine coupled with a frequency generator. So, it was working on the heating principle, indeed. We know that salt added to water increases its boiling point. So, we could imagine that a frequency may alter the behavior of the diathermy machine and favor an effect before a critical temperature is reached. The Rife effect was always multi-faced, not a single one.

    Noise just adds power density. It adds difficult to measure and replicate results. It's better to work with a square wave and duty cycle. And smaller plasma tubes!
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    Just as curiosity, I attach a couple of diagrams from a femto-second mode locking argon laser by amplitude modulation. This might really be a modern Rife apparatus. It puts together the optics (see the diffraction obtained in the diagram), and the driving of the laser via an acoustic frequency (MOR).
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    Can this scheme possibly go more Rifian with a harmonic mode locking scheme ?

    Just a suggestion.

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    Peace be upon Yours All.
    I think You all or the most of You have heard about this company and there System.
    This is more the way of Rife.
    Allways have in mind, it is important to change the environment, to dry out the cause of sickness.
    When i have moose in my english grass, then i have to change the environment, poison will not do it on the long term, it would be only symptomatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Blood View Post
    I found the oncotherm patent of Szasz at https://patents.google.com/patent/US9320911/en . They discuss a complex modulation involving some positive feedback from a sensor. I dont understand it all, but you could read it with the clue that the sensor unit is an SWR sensor. They mention 1/f pink noise. I am thinking the initial signal might be either clean sine or clean rectified sine ... and the shape of the mod signal is then further distorted or refined as a fourier sum (with some reference to the SWR feedback sensor input). It may be that the patent text does not clearly spell out the intention of the signal modification .... but it might be as simple as adding just enough odd harmonics (or pink number harmonics, whatever) to get optimal SWR, and it stops adding extra harmonics once this extra action makes SWR worse. If my guess is correct, there is no special clinical or physiological aspect to this signal shaping, but minimising carrier reflection might be clinically optimal anyway (or not). If the mod shape can impact on target impedance, then maybe that is like an electrical engineer's ecstatic experience of sacred geometry.

    According to https://www.rife.de/oncotherm---rife...erthermia.html they changed the faceplate label from MOD to RIFE, perhaps because the Rife story is so popular.... but probably the invention is originally unrelated to Rife. There is a typo in the rife.de text. 1/3 should read 1/f.

    Why would Szasz play with modulation in the first place ? Maybe because it allows higher peak RF power while limiting heating (related to average power). In older texts he used the term fractal modulation, which I beleive means like flower petals, but it may have some more obscure mathematical meaning.
    Hi Alan,
    as I know Prof. Szasz personally and spent hours talking to him over the years, let me correct a few things you said:

    Prof. Szasz designed his Oncotherm units based on Rife research that he then further developed in a Hungarian university. He describes his methods as based on Rife, but a further development of it. RIFE was originally written on his units and that is what made me aware of them, when I saw them at the Medica trade fair in Germany. The term "Rife" was changed to "Modulation" due to negative comments from others that were made. The technology is the same, they just changed the word. They have done a number of clinical studies with their Oncothermia, which combines hyperthermia with Rife modulation and they have had proven results in the treatment of cancer. If you are looking for a company that has been involved in clinical studies, this is the one.
    Szasz has told me many times that he learned a lot about Rife and that was the basis of his research that led to Oncotherm.
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    Hi Peter. My apologies for misquoting rife.de on the faceplate label of Oncotherm. I deleted that paragraph.

    If as you say Szasz feels the Oncotherm is based on Rife then I can accept that. .. It remains possible that his first modulated prototypes were developed in the years before Rife was popularized in 1988 as novel innovations. So we could agree to differ.

    I met Szasz in 1994 at a Sydney conference.

    There are plenty of similarities to modern Rife devices anyway especially where a phanotron tube is placed near the torso. However there is is probably no cracking spike in this non plasma applicator.

    I notice the photo at rife.de has a large square top plate. Some previous models were described as having a cooled cone applicator.
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