Can a Rife machine cure cancer?

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[Fabrizio del Tin]

I'll share some technical info and lab research from my group.

We have to distinguish among 3 types of machines:
1. Original (pre-Hoyland) machines
2. Post-Hoyland machines, clones and replicas
3. Other machines

Machines type #1 on cancer:
- they can help with some specific type of cancers (mostly lung/breast related), not all
- they work very well in vitro, and to a certain extent in vivo on exposed areas (if they are not exposed, it has to be done through surgery)
- they work little to nothing with inner cancers
Mechanisms involved:
- cancer is sensitive to temperature. Thermal shock contributes to cell apoptosis
- EM shock by high voltage spikes. This cleans up the environment by mechanical induction (shaking, rotation, etc.) and can disturb the operation of cancerous cells
- it alters proteins and DNA in cancerous cells (as well in normal cells); when cancerous cells, which have an already altered DNA, become too compromised and cannot photoreactivate, apoptosis is triggered. Normal cells can recover, but can also go mad. Statistically, with the right doses, they recover
Targeted chemical constituents: Benzene, Anthracene (Benz(a)anthracene-7.12-dione), Naphthalene, and Styrene to clear up the environment (mostly tobacco-related). O-O bonds in the cell, which involves mitochondria and the breathing process of the cell (cancer is oxygen hungry; when you target the source it feeds from, the cell dies)

Machines type #2 on cancer:
None of those machines is currently properly tuned up according to original machines. Therefore, without clear electrical and lamp parameters, it is not possible to predict how well they will operate.
In general, they should have no effect on cancer, but there are certain variants that might. For example, a Rife/Bare system could be made to work against cancer with some modifications (using multiple frequencies at the same time, choosing the proper lamp, etc.). Same with a Bedini RPX Sideband Generator, if it is properly amplified and fed to a proper lamp.

The thing is more complex, but I think this guideline can be helpful. Many variants and machine #2 seem to help with long exposure times. But right for that reason, as they cannot achieve a timely killoff, they only display initial good results. Then, the cancer cells adapt and become more virulent than before, leading to a quick death. Thus, you can talk about an improved quality of life for a time, but not about healing. However, this is not the original Rife principle.

[Stanislaw Chmielarz]

Your message has a serious errors;
"it alters proteins and DNA in cancerous cells (as well in normal cells); when cancerous cells, which have an already altered DNA,"
Cancer cells have not an altered DNA. If they have, an immune system have to kill them.
"O-O bonds in the cell, which involves mitochondria and the breathing process of the cell (cancer is oxygen hungry; when you target the source it feeds from, the cell dies)"
Cancer cells are not an oxygen hungry because they do not burn glucose in oxygen but in the lack of oxygen they carry out glucose fermentations to achieve an energy.
There is a fundamental knowledge about cancer cells vs healthy cells which You don't have.

[Fabrizio del Tin]

Maybe you have different sources and the only error is your thread spamming and agenda.

My point is DNA alteration, for which there is plenty of studies.
If the immune system would intervene every time DNA is altered, many viruses would not exist (those that alter DNA), which is not true.
Concerning the role of mitochondria, there are different studies. Some say that che cancerous cell is always in starving mode because of the increased need for oxygen and that mitochondria become hyperactive. There are many threads of study.
And it is common knowledge that cancer cells have an altered, crazy DNA.

I invite you not to discredit the work of others and spam my posts. I studied pharmacy by the way. I ask politely that you remove your personal attacks torward me and cease with this attitude. If you don't like or don't understand what I contribute to this forum, nobody forces you to be rude or intolerant. I will also remove these lines as we find again reciprocal respect, as this forum deserves.

[Fabrizio del Tin]

Your message has a serious errors;
"it alters proteins and DNA in cancerous cells (as well in normal cells); when cancerous cells, which have an already altered DNA,"
Cancer cells have not an altered DNA. If they have, an immune system have to kill them.

Another evidence that Stanislaw talks nonsense. It is known since the 50's that cancer is caused by DNA mutations.

https://www.icr.ac.uk/about-us/our-a...age-and-cancer

Stop ridiculing science and bashing people. You are only mocking yourself and your ignorance.

[Fabrizio del Tin]

If somebody is curious about the need for oxygen of cancerous cells, here is a study:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...y-tumours.html

Studies that just say the opposite can be found. For example, it was proposed to kill cancer cells with an excess of oxygen.

When two diverging solutions are both true, it just shows that cancer is very sensitive to preserve its artificial environment. Any change can affect it. The issue is how to induce reliably those changes.

[Peter Walker]

Fabrizio del Tin and Stanislaw Chmielarz, let me remind you both that this forum is open for the respectful exchange of ideas. It is not permitted to make any personal attacks on this forum.

You can argue the merits of ideas, methods and devices, but not use derogatory talking points against your opponent. Those that persist in such behaviour can be removed from the forum.

One has to allow for progress and there are plenty of modern day units with proven track records.


There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance.
Hippocrates

"He who heals is right", is more relevant than ever,

[Fabrizio del Tin]

Peter, thanks for intervening. I asked Stanislaw politely to remove his personal attacks and find again reciprocal respect (above in this thread), but he didn't do. Just short ago you already warned him and a group of posters and peace seemed to be restablished, except for Stanislaw, who persists.

It is not possible to have somebody chasing your threads and discredit you all the time in anything you say - and also with completely wrong claims. He does not put it in the tone of information sharing, but he is just bashing people. I invited him, if he does not like what I say or has something against me, just to avoid me, but it didn't work.

I need to point out that this affects my name and image. I always avoided confrontation, but what stays in this forum after personal attacks are those same personal attacks that do not get deleted.

I decided to comment on Stanislaw's threads to show that others can be rude too - when it is enough, it is enough. But I have no interest in continuing a confrontation. So, for me it's over now. But I don't think it's over for Stanislaw, as it keeps happening. I feel limited every time I want to do a post here, because I feel haunted, so one can not even feel free to say/share something.
I think there should be a way to remove offending content.

Concerning the other devices, maybe I have to change the naming to "devices that do not follow the original Rife protocols, but are improperly called Rife's". I don't deal with those, so I didn't expand on that. I didn't mean to include all frequency devices in that definition. I followed my path to modernization too and I think there is plenty of space for improvement of Rife's systems.

[Peter Walker]

Peter, thanks for intervening. I asked Stanislaw politely to remove his personal attacks and find again reciprocal respect (above in this thread), but he didn't do. Just short ago you already warned him and a group of posters and peace seemed to be restablished, except for Stanislaw, who persists.

It is not possible to have somebody chasing your threads and discredit you all the time in anything you say - and also with completely wrong claims. He does not put it in the tone of information sharing, but he is just bashing people. I invited him, if he does not like what I say or has something against me, just to avoid me, but it didn't work.

I need to point out that this affects my name and image. I always avoided confrontation, but what stays in this forum after personal attacks are those same personal attacks that do not get deleted.

I decided to comment on Stanislaw's threads to show that others can be rude too - when it is enough, it is enough. But I have no interest in continuing a confrontation. So, for me it's over now. But I don't think it's over for Stanislaw, as it keeps happening. I feel limited every time I want to do a post here, because I feel haunted, so one can not even feel free to say/share something.
I think there should be a way to remove offending content.

Fabrizio, some of your comments about him were problematic as well. Stanislaw reported a number of your posts to me and he also has a point.

The only people who use the term "Quack" are those in the pay of the pharmaceutical lobbies trying to destroy alternative medicine. We do not need such terms here, they serve only to hinder new research and development. You can say a device does not follow Rife's original protocols, but that does not mean it is wrong or bad. It is much more important to see if it works and actually helps people. If users are reporting it cured of their conditions OR as we had some time age with a certain device, that lots of people report they were worse off then before.

The topic of naming devices that are not following Rife's original protocols has long been discussed and we came to a definition that was agreed on:
https://www.rife.de/rife-and-r.i.f.e...s-defined.html

In Germany, where I live, there are tens of thousands of resonance therapy devices using pad electrodes and they have an excellent track record. I am currently translating the book of one of Germany's leading medical doctors using this method, into English. It is an excellent well researched book that will be released in English and Spanish later this year. The devices he uses (BW21 and BW77) are fully medCE certified, so doctors can officially use them.

[Fabrizio del Tin]

I tried to edit my post to delete the term "*****" and specify better what I was meaning, but it seems I cannot do it anymore. The button "Edit Post" disappeared. I see it for more recent posts, though.

I have nothing against pad devices. I use some too. It's just not my subject of study, so I cannot say anything about that. It's good that any direction of research is explored and I clap to your translation.

[Peter Walker]

I have corrected your posts for you.

[Fabrizio del Tin]

Thank you, Peter

[Thomas Taylor]

I second this question. For those of us who don't work in this field and are looking to see if it's a device that offers any benefit. I mean at this point I'm not even asking to see a video of frequencies killing pathogens cuz I know it's never going to happen I'd settle for somebody proving to me it's something beyond just a box with lights. Just when I'm about to spend the cash I always wake up cynical wondering in this day of litigation and liability and restriction is anybody really producing a device that transmits a viable source of energy at a therapeutic level. Thank you for your input.

[Karl Buchanan]

I second this question. For those of us who don't work in this field and are looking to see if it's a device that offers any benefit. I mean at this point I'm not even asking to see a video of frequencies killing pathogens cuz I know it's never going to happen I'd settle for somebody proving to me it's something beyond just a box with lights. Just when I'm about to spend the cash I always wake up cynical wondering in this day of litigation and liability and restriction is anybody really producing a device that transmits a viable source of energy at a therapeutic level. Thank you for your input.

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[David Shore]

https://altered-states.net/index2.php look down page for parameceum murder video

Rifevideos.com has a lot of info that might help

Who is the author/owner of Rifevideos.com? Thanks.

[Karl Buchanan]

Who is the author/owner of Rifevideos.com? Thanks.

Don't know em - you should look that one up on the site

[David Shore]

I quickly scanned the site in the obvious places but couldn't find the info.

[Ali Rosener]

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Peace be upon Yours All.
Strange, a 100 years ago, german health insurance company, paid also for ordenary labors treatments with the so called violet wand.
Early plasma devices, i still have some sets with many electrodes still working.

My wife uses the comb and the roll, it produces also ozon on the skin.
personally, i am 65 and don´t take any pills, except holy thistle capsules.
Good for my liver, because i had 20 years back hepatitis C.
Some people are sceptical of acupuncture, even it is since 1000th´s of years approved.
Some people try with chemo, don´t change much on livestyle, others see the things holistic and understand the complexity.
It might be rare or maybe impossible to get cancer just today and tomorrow it will be diagnosed.
It is a longer process and can have different sources, it is important, to find out wether poisons (also destructive waves) in the environment or some organism, fungi or other.
Sometimes they play all together after some time.
I only can preach it to everyone, that pure water, at least clean water, is essential to get cured.
Maybe the following post is also helpful to trust more in that type of therapy
https://www.rifeforum.com/forum/thre...ll=1#post53079
Sincerely
** Ali **

[Ali Rosener]

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Peace be upon Yours All.

Sometimes people are not sensitiv or skilled enough to tune there systems.
For some people, it will be only a fancy lamp, but some people are able to take benefits even from a Aurorasky Plasma Ball, just knowing how.
Some People own a Ferrari, it don´t mean that they know how to drive it better than a Fiat 500s.
To know which one is the best, give me the money and some more time i will find it out, if The Most High is willing.

Sincerely
** Ali **

[Yuriy Vladimirovich]

HI.
In my opinion, yes, Rife's machine can beat cancer.
There can be no protocol, since cancer is a strictly individual disease. If you take two identical people with the same diagnosis, then the disease in each will proceed differently. This depends on what kind of symbiosis of pathogenic microbes caused the disease and what kind of immunity and state of the body a person has at the moment. A tumor is a symbiosis (cohabitation) of different microbes together.
Cancer is a parasitic disease. And this was proven at the beginning and middle of the last century. As Professor M.M. Nevyadomsky, oncology is just a branch of parasitology!
For successful treatment, a complete diagnosis of the body is needed for pathogenic microflora. And this is the main problem. For example, the SV40-virus cannot be diagnosed either in Ukraine or in Russia. And it (SV40) is found in many tumors and leukemia and lymphoma.
The same problem with pathogenic fungi. I have about 30 species on my list. And there is no way to diagnose them all.
In my opinion, in terms of technical characteristics, I would choose GB-4000 and MOPA + CP-4 would not be superfluous either.
This is not an advertisement - this is just my opinion!
After diagnostics, we first destroy parasites and protozoa, then fungi, bacteria and viruses. Also daily detoxification and a lot of other support programs.
That's the whole protocol.