Can a Rife machine cure cancer?

[Alan Blood]

I got the impression forum members are expected not to turn debates into insult contests . It gives the readers indigestion . When you question. Whether flatulance is politically correct. Or what the heck. To say any old thing that enters your head . Instead . Of following forum decorum . I can walk down the ghetto street any day to hear trash talk. In fact when I open the garbage bin I hear the trash talk. But hey, some days it really stinks. That's what I thinks. Anyway.

[Karl Buchanan]

I can not honestly say? The reason is because i use plasma/rife in conjunction with 12-15 other cancer or infection agents and never tried to completely discern.
Like the Italian fellow said, we talk great and have a use for each others notes - but my goal is the patient (making me look good) and i imagine for someone trying to write down that music, it would be impossible. Just like trying to keep a patient alive in a research model would be.

Plasma/rife i love for life....but I throw every lightning bolt and cascade of weaponry i have that applies to that case.

[Alan Blood]

I can not honestly say? The reason is because i use plasma/rife in conjunction with 12-15 other cancer or infection agents and never tried to completely discern.
Like the Italian fellow said, we talk great and have a use for each others notes - but my goal is the patient (making me look good) and i imagine for someone trying to write down that music, it would be impossible. Just like trying to keep a patient alive in a research model would be.

Plasma/rife i love for life....but I throw every lightning bolt and cascade of weaponry i have that applies to that case.

Life is a terminal illness with 100% mortality rate. The prognosis for many cancers is so poor, it would not matter if cured patients had 20 different therapies, provided you also show all the data for your dead patients too. 80 % mortality is twice as good as 90% mortality.

Meta analysis was applied to the old data of Holt here in Australia on microwave hyperthermia. It can be done on any good collation. I understand chiropractors and casual therapists are not in a position to do that alone. Many rife practicioners express fear and loathing of GP doctors. But if professionals sign off on the standard 2 year and 5 year survival data, all the meta analysis needs to do is divide that into age and sex cohorts and bingo you have a publishable result. But some of us hate and fear researchers and peer reviewed journals also. Ok not all practicioners need to participate. 2 and 5 year data in collaboration with a family doctor is a lot to ask, I get that. And it doesn't disprove Spirulina is the cure, unless you can analyse notations on the extra therapies tried.

Even with a standard proforma it really is too much to ask in this Tower of Babel forum. Actually medicos had no data 200 years ago but they did have grapevine gossip. Lancet journal was full of anecdotals on individual cases. If some therapy worked well, the efficacy was obvious. But if it's a subtle improvement of survival score, you need modern statistical methods to prove your claim.

Btw this was done with oncotherm in Germany. But it was run by pros thus easy peasy.

[CharBoehm]

I should clarify one thought that I wrote in my previous message, "It might be much easier to do in-vitro lab work on certain pathogens, probably bacteria. And it would probably be wise to initially choose non-pathogenic bacteria, species that don't have a lot of variance (which would for instance rule out E. coli)."

There is a strain of non-pathogenic Escherichia coli available, so that might work for lab testing if proper lab procedures are used which avoid contamination from other pathogenic E. coli strains.

Charlene Boehm

[Stanislaw Chmielarz]

Hi!
We have two supporters of conducting certification research for frequency machines. I would like to read what standards will these researchers refer to and what test procedures during the research and evaluation of results? I happened to prepare the device for testing before obtaining approval and a patent, but I knew exactly what scope of measurements would be performed and under what conditions. Please provide me with such standards for testing the effectiveness of cancer treatment when there are so many factors involved, which the previous speaker (Yuriy) wrote about, such as the physical condition of the patient, the mental condition of the patient and how it will affect the test results. Of course, you can choose for example lung cancer patients, only each case will be different for the reasons described above and the type / type of cancer. I propose generic tests, such as the in vitro test performed by Doug Coil's creator on a Petri dish for Lyme spirochete, which test and its method of execution can be described in detail. Unfortunately, this test, due to its pleomorphic properties of a spirochette, does not guarantee complete recovery after the first in vivo treatment. So I do not see any possibility to reliably test the frequency device in the treatment of cancer. When it comes to single parasites, pathogens, it can be done in vitro, which unfortunately does not translate into in vivo results for many reasons. The human body and the organisms of laboratory animals is not an airplane and a miniature airplane tested in the aerodynamic channel and there is no exact translation of the results of such tests.
As I wrote earlier, it is possible to perform in vivo tests with the use of computerized Vega-test equipment, only if it is reliable can only confirm the results of therapy with a given device and the frequency of emission. As it results from my information from the therapist working, this method with the emission made by contact electrodes and induction loops and the patient (my daughter-in-law), the therapy is effective, but not immediate.

[CharBoehm]

Hi!
We have two supporters of conducting certification research for frequency machines. I would like to read what standards will these researchers refer to and what test procedures during the research and evaluation of results?...
Please provide me with such standards for testing the effectiveness of cancer treatment when there are so many factors involved, which the previous speaker (Yuriy) wrote about, such as the physical condition of the patient, the mental condition of the patient and how it will affect the test results. Of course, you can choose for example lung cancer patients, only each case will be different for the reasons described above and the type / type of cancer. [snip]

Stanislaw, thank you for posting your thoughts on this.

In reality, Dr. Milbank Johnson's 1934 cancer project at La Jolla was a group of case studies, not a true clinical trial. Even in those years, researchers knew the difference, which is significant.

The modern challenges to performing a clinical trial involving people with cancer, are tremendous. For starters, about the study design: a) finding enough study participants and control persons; b) is agency approval required; c) is a separate person needed to statistically analyze data; d) is lab equipment needed to document results; e) is the scope of a proposed study so wide that it becomes impossible to do everything in one study.

Then there are possible confounding factors that could skew the results: a) type of cancer; b) stage of cancer; c) immune status; d) age and sex.

Finally, it can be difficult to get results published, even if a study is finished. If there is a lot of money spent on a study and it is not done well, it will get torn apart faster than scavengers on a dead animal.

Many people's expectations that data should be available by now, 86 years after the La Jolla "clinical trial", is understandable. But Rife did not propose or run that trial, Johnson did. And Johnson said in a letter that the results were not yet conclusive. The 1934 "trial" has undoubtedly been overblown in its significance.

Probably the best that could be done at this juncture, unless significant funding were available, would be to report cancer "case studies" with as much detail as possible, without revealing personal information. Even then, it might require permission of the person using frequencies.

It might be much easier to do in-vitro lab work on certain pathogens, probably bacteria. And it would probably be wise to initially choose non-pathogenic bacteria, species that don't have a lot of variance (which would for instance rule out E. coli). If pathogenic bacteria were used, appropriate training would be needed for handling.

It's so good to have high expectations; it is easy to complain not enough is happening. But carrying out such projects is demanding of money, time, knowledge, and energy. And they require lots of planning. I have a relative that advises doctors and groups on designing reliable studies. When I talk with that person about these issues, it's enough to make one's head spin.

Best wishes,
Charlene Boehm

[Ali Rosener]

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Peace be upon Yours All.
I suffered from fibromyalgia, this was diagnosed in a university hospital.
My condition was so bad, that i needed two hours every morning to get my bones moved.
It was not possible for me to open a bag or a bottle. No power and too much pain in the muscles.
I could walk 50 m distance, i had to sit down. My live started to dimmish.
I prayd to The Most High: "Please take away this evil what i feel and what i see.
The feedback was: "get a microscope and look into your blood".
I learned to see and how to act with frequency and plasma therapy.
Now i am free of fibromyalgia.
We say in germany: "wer heilt hat recht" (who cures is right).
I don´t have anything to sell.
Science, HA HA HA, In the DSM5 Dictionary for mental sickness is written, that people believe in The Most High or in the hereafter are mental ill.
Some are so ignorant and arrogant, they believe in such dictionary.
This type of corrupted science, sorry, i give a big pile of shit on it.
I showed in this Forum videos with organism, looking like red blood cells and able to throw threads like caterpillar.
Even doctors i showed, but the only reaction is "interesting".
This type of organism can cause big damage to the body, when they agglutinate, under stress.
Why are people so ignorant and don´t understand that the invivo observation with the microscope is essential.
How could mankind become so stupid and blind, just trusting labs? Is it scientific to send a sample only to one lab? sorry i would not trust.
Short time ago, we sendet a stool sample into a lab.
The consistence was like a stone.
When we got the results, there was written about the consistence of the sample was soft.
Signed by a doctor.
This was not the first time i came across such curiosity.
You can´t trust!!!! in that kind of science. Sorry.
Here the video, tell me what organism, my opinion, a adult plasmodium.
The Video is in 1080p please change the settings


Sincerely
** Ali **

[Fabrizio del Tin]

Ali, you might feel that a frequency cured you, but you cannot be certain. Science is your friend to help you know if it was really due to the frequency.

I will enumerate just a few points that make your account doubtful.

1. Illnesses have their due course. Maybe you healed because it was time to heal and not because of the frequency. Where is the control subject to figure this out? That is more people with similar illness, some untreated, some treated in different ways, etc.
2. The fact that you are so hyped about Rife is already a strong placebo effect that may influence outcome. We need subjects that are not biased to get data that are certain.
3. Your healing conclusion is already flawed, as you did not just use a frequency to heal. You also used prayer. We know that prayer is a powerful healing tool that can surpass medicine. Was it a frequency or prayer? What else did you do or take that could influence the outcome?

Unless we have pure and verified data, such accounts contribute nothing, unfortunately. We need a protocol so that all can follow.

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Peace be upon Yours All.
I suffered from fibromyalgia, this was diagnosed in a university hospital.
My condition was so bad, that i needed two hours every morning to get my bones moved.
It was not possible for me to open a bag or a bottle. No power and too much pain in the muscles.
I could walk 50 m distance, i had to sit down. My live started to dimmish.
I prayd to The Most High: "Please take away this evil what i feel and what i see.
The feedback was: "get a microscope and look into your blood".
I learned to see and how to act with frequency and plasma therapy.
Now i am free of fibromyalgia.
We say in germany: "wer heilt hat recht" (who cures is right).
I don´t have anything to sell.
Science, HA HA HA, In the DSM5 Dictionary for mental sickness is written, that people believe in The Most High or in the hereafter are mental ill.
Some are so ignorant and arrogant, they believe in such dictionary.
This type of corrupted science, sorry, i give a big pile of shit on it.
I showed in this Forum videos with organism, looking like red blood cells and able to throw threads like caterpillar.
Even doctors i showed, but the only reaction is "interesting".
This type of organism can cause big damage to the body, when they agglutinate, under stress.
Why are people so ignorant and don´t understand that the invivo observation with the microscope is essential.
How could mankind become so stupid and blind, just trusting labs? Is it scientific to send a sample only to one lab? sorry i would not trust.
Short time ago, we sendet a stool sample into a lab.
The consistence was like a stone.
When we got the results, there was written about the consistence of the sample was soft.
Signed by a doctor.
This was not the first time i came across such curiosity.
You can´t trust!!!! in that kind of science. Sorry.
Here the video, tell me what organism, my opinion, a adult plasmodium.
The Video is in 1080p please change the settings


Sincerely
** Ali **

[Ali Rosener]

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Hi Fabrizio, Peace be upon You and Yours All.
You can´t imagine how many bloodsamples i have examined, how many hours i sat on the microscope.
I know how to make the organism visible, chase them out of there hiding.
Of course i did not work thru like a egoshooter.
No, i learned, that frequency therapy can weaken pathogens and immune modulate the system.
What do You think why this leucos so behind that i call the plasmodium in that video?
Only because they got informed and instructed.
My goal is not to kill, but to clean and regenerate. Everything in the Universe matters, also the so called pathogen.
This fields do exactly what i whant. Not from today to tomorrow but some days later.
My prayer and its feedback, was the inspiration to look into my own blood. With other words, to take a much deeper look inside.
Not to look into the body liquids of a patient is somehow ignorant.
The modern doctors are blind, they don´t no anymore, just take labs away. Nowadays, You will not find much doctors anymore, taking a look into the eyes or tongue, they don´t know to read the skin and the nails, many of them don´t know.
So what, science is just a other kind of religion, having many believers and followers.
They are good in prophecy, that the cancer rate will encrease till 2025, even how much %, so what.
UN Agenda 2030 how it shall come together?
Sincerely
** Ali **

[Karl Buchanan]

"The prognosis for many cancers is so poor, it would not matter if cured patients had 20 different therapies, provided you also show all the data for your dead patients too. 80 % mortality is twice as good as 90% mortality."

Not in our country?
The "and you get 5 years!" gaffe is atrocious. That is because they destroyed them with rad and chemo and never clean em up.....SCAM and insult too.

I tell them there is no limit known and check often. If they have any trouble, they come back.

But ALL of what you present is "pubmed" = sh*t con job

None of that is even relevant in private care, because it is just narrative to support an industry - and clearly? A population management method that competes with ours.

I do not have a lot of dead patients? I have always enjoyed high success rates and some? I do not know? If they do not respond rapidly to me, i do not "treat them unto death" I talk to them about conventional measures, the "5 years!" and that i will make sure and take the chemo and rad back out.....boom! 20 years?

So do not even try to pass off canadian chicken chucking as reliable medical information to me and think I am a poor hopeful potato. Most all that is not true at all here....unless they go to "free care" and what did they expect?

[Karl Buchanan]

"Btw this was done with oncotherm in Germany. But it was run by pros thus easy peasy."

Well....easy peasey.....it is a little nervy driving that train? "Controlled cooking" them is a nimble affair for what can happen. That one made me laugh. I got their brain in my hands waiting for the train to derail on me and trying to watch 5 gauges at once in a self-generated trance of focused intent. Haha. But? I do make it "look" easy peasey?
For me it is....in a nascar race kind of way...but that tickled me

[Fabrizio del Tin]

I add a screenshot from the books above, which show the study of electromagnetic fields also in cancer cases.

[Stanislaw Chmielarz]

Hi!
Nobody thinks that it is about some conspiracy theories and mainly about the money that pharmaceutical companies can lose if it turns out that many diseases can be cured effectively (not only by masking the symptoms as they do now) and the companies would not earn anything on it. Only people paid for by these companies disparage any other way that causes their sponsors to lose their earnings. From my backyard: I wanted to work with a hospice where various cancer patients are waiting for death. Initially, I proposed a test of my ionic silver for bedsores and other skin problems of patients. I was refused because the doctor, who is paid by the state and on whom the state subsidy depends, did not allow the use of this preparation because there is no appropriate certification and nurses are allowed only to use what the doctor recommends.
Privately, many people use my preparation because it helps with skin problems and mucous membranes.
Coming back to the topic, I believe that a frequency machine can cure cancer effectively, but certainly not all devices, conditions and types of cancer. You can also cure cancer without such devices. You just need to know its weak points - Achilles heels.

[Karl Buchanan]

"The conspiration theory or that studies are prevented in the U.S. is all bull shit.

Not as much bullshit as that pathetic opening volley of another one of your all garlic eminence fronts! Haha!
Playing the childish switch tactic, when everybody knows very clearly it has nothing to do with research, was the end of your entire presentation. I respond poorly to being treated the pumpkin at a c level debate in the first place.

"I wouldn't buy a book that revolves around those claims. Better to go to reliable literature, which easily disproves those claims. This for example:"

We have those books and I will take your surely remote location and quaintness, as an excuse for rank ignorance of that, instead of thinking it just another thinly veiled oppotunity to insult everyone and affirm your (slippery) eminence. That would be so droll after all.

"The entire electromagnetic field is well studied and it is known what it can do and what it cannot.
Someone once told me that when someone passed a great giant steaming stinker, the only thing one can do is let it ferment there......tactics tactics tactics

(I confess, it was when i hit the "empirical evidence" of "shill or blowhardy wannbe?" that I used the excuse of porcene persona to succumb to my own awful personality and surgically point out my obvious "holes" in that research? For they seem like repetative circular A holes mostly and my frequencies resonated......pardon me and bon soi)

[Ali Rosener]

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Peace be upon Yours All.
I stand up for the E. coli Bacterium, our Friend.

How the E. coli Bacterium Can Benefit Us
The bacterium Escherichia coli is often thought of as a pathogen, but it’s typically found in the intestine as a regular part of gut flora. New work by researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder has now shown that it’s a vital part of that microbial community because it helps cells absorb iron, an essential nutrient. Reported in Cell, this study sheds light on how gut bacteria are beneficial to our health, and may also improve therapeutics that aim to treat iron deficiencies.

Read more
https://www.labroots.com/trending/mi...terium-benefit

Sincerely
** Ali **

[Stanislaw Chmielarz]

Hi!
E. Coli bacteria do not harm us if it is only where it should be, i.e. in the intestines. If the intestinal walls are overrun by fungi or other pathogens that damage the intestinal walls, then this bacteria and other bacteria can enter the bloodstream and then harm us. Sitting in the intestines, they do a beneficial job for our body, and they are said to also produce H2O2, which is ammunition for white blood cells.

[Tony Kerselaers]

Hi

Novocure, maybe known to all of you, uses electric fields (for example 1V/cm internally) with dedicated frequencies (below 200KHz and with relative large tolerances) to increase survival time of cancer patients. They are doing multiple studies in different countries, for example in 5 different clinics in Belgium I am aware off. They have much material published.
Yesterday (10December 2020) they made this announcement about serious clinical investigations:
https://www.novocure.com/first-patient-enrolled-in-novocures-global-phase-3-trident-trial-of-optune-concurrent-with-radiation-therapy-in-newly-diagnosed-glioblastoma/


Besides all that activity and studies, they are also working on reducing bacteria and virus growth at higher frequency ranges; although there is not much published material available yet, you can find some information in patent application US20200016399A1.

https://www.freepatentsonline.com/20200016399.pdf

They have also found that the efficiency of frequency therapy reduces during its long term use. See patent application US20200306531A1

https://www.freepatentsonline.com/20200306531.pdf

I thought James Bare wrote also about this effect in the past.

They also found that changing frequencies and amplitudes elevates the efficiency . See patent applications US20170281934A1 and US20140330268A1

https://www.freepatentsonline.com/20170281934.pdf

https://www.freepatentsonline.com/20140330268.pdf


These are mechanisms I read about before anectodely on this form and others but seems to be confirmed in serious research work

I did not see any other company or researcher publish data of repeated studies on electric fields and frequency therapy.

Tony

[Tony Kerselaers]

Hi found these recent articles:

Non-thermal membrane effects of electromagnetic fields and therapeutic applications in oncology

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02656736.2021.1914354

Immune Regulation Under Magnetic Fields

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.582772/full


Tony

[Alan Blood]

Hi found these recent articles:

Non-thermal membrane effects of electromagnetic fields and therapeutic applications in oncology

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02656736.2021.1914354

Immune Regulation Under Magnetic Fields

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.582772/full


Tony

I found the oncotherm patent of Szasz at https://patents.google.com/patent/US9320911/en . They discuss a complex modulation involving some positive feedback from a sensor. I dont understand it all, but you could read it with the clue that the sensor unit is an SWR sensor. They mention 1/f pink noise. I am thinking the initial signal might be either clean sine or clean rectified sine ... and the shape of the mod signal is then further distorted or refined as a fourier sum (with some reference to the SWR feedback sensor input). It may be that the patent text does not clearly spell out the intention of the signal modification .... but it might be as simple as adding just enough odd harmonics (or pink number harmonics, whatever) to get optimal SWR, and it stops adding extra harmonics once this extra action makes SWR worse. If my guess is correct, there is no special clinical or physiological aspect to this signal shaping, but minimising carrier reflection might be clinically optimal anyway (or not). If the mod shape can impact on target impedance, then maybe that is like an electrical engineer's ecstatic experience of sacred

Why would Szasz play with modulation in the first place ? Maybe because it allows higher peak RF power while limiting heating (related to average power). In older texts he used the term fractal modulation, which I beleive means like flower petals, but it may have some more obscure mathematical meaning.

[Peter Walker]

I found the oncotherm patent of Szasz at https://patents.google.com/patent/US9320911/en . They discuss a complex modulation involving some positive feedback from a sensor. I dont understand it all, but you could read it with the clue that the sensor unit is an SWR sensor. They mention 1/f pink noise. I am thinking the initial signal might be either clean sine or clean rectified sine ... and the shape of the mod signal is then further distorted or refined as a fourier sum (with some reference to the SWR feedback sensor input). It may be that the patent text does not clearly spell out the intention of the signal modification .... but it might be as simple as adding just enough odd harmonics (or pink number harmonics, whatever) to get optimal SWR, and it stops adding extra harmonics once this extra action makes SWR worse. If my guess is correct, there is no special clinical or physiological aspect to this signal shaping, but minimising carrier reflection might be clinically optimal anyway (or not). If the mod shape can impact on target impedance, then maybe that is like an electrical engineer's ecstatic experience of sacred geometry.

According to https://www.rife.de/oncotherm---rife...erthermia.html they changed the faceplate label from MOD to RIFE, perhaps because the Rife story is so popular.... but probably the invention is originally unrelated to Rife. There is a typo in the rife.de text. 1/3 should read 1/f.

Why would Szasz play with modulation in the first place ? Maybe because it allows higher peak RF power while limiting heating (related to average power). In older texts he used the term fractal modulation, which I beleive means like flower petals, but it may have some more obscure mathematical meaning.

Hi Alan,
as I know Prof. Szasz personally and spent hours talking to him over the years, let me correct a few things you said:

Prof. Szasz designed his Oncotherm units based on Rife research that he then further developed in a Hungarian university. He describes his methods as based on Rife, but a further development of it. RIFE was originally written on his units and that is what made me aware of them, when I saw them at the Medica trade fair in Germany. The term "Rife" was changed to "Modulation" due to negative comments from others that were made. The technology is the same, they just changed the word. They have done a number of clinical studies with their Oncothermia, which combines hyperthermia with Rife modulation and they have had proven results in the treatment of cancer. If you are looking for a company that has been involved in clinical studies, this is the one.
Szasz has told me many times that he learned a lot about Rife and that was the basis of his research that led to Oncotherm.