How Are Rife Manufacturers Compared?

[Peter Walker]

One of the most important features of this forum, is the independant assessment of a wide range of Rife devices and manufacturers.

As I have only personally seen and used a few Rife devices, I was left with the problem of how to make a reasonable and fair comparison, that is of use to the entire Rife community. The concept I have decided to implement is as fair as I believe is possible.

There are a number of aspects that can be compared and I wish to make the method used transparent to all - both manufacturers and members of this forum.

I will be using the concept that the BBC uses when gathering news: To be unbiased, you have to tell both sides of the story!


Please send me a description of your company and Rife products for me to use as a basis for describing your Rife product(s). This should be in the form of a description the readers can recognise as being fair, without having the feeling they are reading some form of advertising. Unjustifiable claims ("We make the world's best...", "Nobody else can do this...", etc.) and criticism of competitors products, etc. is not acceptable and will not be used. Please also supply images of your equipment preferably showing it from all sides. If your equipment has been medically certified, and/or you have run clinical trials, etc. in any way, please provide full details of this, too.

In order for me to have basic information about each organisation, I also ask you to answer the following questions:

Name of Device, Photo(s) of device, Introduction
Model No., Description, Type
Release date, Made by,
Contact, Tel. (Time to call), Fax, E-Mail, Web site URL, User online forum url (if any)
Sold in Europe by..., and Price in Euro!
Sold in America by..., and Price in Dollar!
Sold in (country) by..., and Price in Euro/Dollar/Whatever
Special features, Units sold,
Certification (medical CE, TGA, FDA, etc.)
Clinical Trials (some organisatiosn have already done these)
Other trials
Testomonials (independently verified?)
Claims made, Verification of claims
Waveform used, Frequency range, Frequency steps, Voltage range
Voltage steps, Waveform accuracy, Oscilloscope images of waveform
PC Programmable?, User Programmable?,
Diagnostic capability (method used)
Operating manual available in which languages
Any further Comments

The other side of the story is the response from the users. To determine this, I have looked through the messages posted, in the last 3 years, to the 3 existing Rife lists on the Internet (until recently, all on Yahoogroups). After reading the messages, I then do my best to summarise what I have found on each unit. Additionally, I also take account of messages sent to me privately.

I have chosen a method that allows the members of this forum to be able to openly and democratically state their true opinion, while remaining annoymous! To achieve this, I am making use of the POLLING feature, of this forum, to ask the users the same questions about each unit on the market! A Poll is basically a message containing a question with up to 10 different answers. Each member of the forum can answer each question once as thay feel fit. Once a vote has been made, it cannot be changed and every member only has one vote for each question. I can assure all members that I will never release details of who voted for what (I will not even investigate this, myself).

I ask all the members of this forum to vote conscientiously for those devices you have been able to form an honest opinion about. In order to prevent misuse of this feature, you will need to join the respective usergroup for the device before you can vote in these polls.

I think the above factors will allow for as fair an assesment as is possible and thereby assist people interested in buying Rife equipment to be as well advised as is possible.

[Doug Detelj]

I am new to the group, and my mind is reeling from an internet search for the most effective/economical Rife machine.

In this forum's FAQ section is a topic named "How are Rife manufacturers compared?" The author outlined a very impressive idea for compiling a list to compare, yet I can not find it yet on this site? Am I missing it, or is it elsewhere? Can anybody help???

Thank you so much for your time.

[Lilly Mao]

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/qsc1850hd/

[carl yanagihara]

When I joined the yahoo rife-and-lyme group i received an emailed welcome package including the names of the best-spoken of machines in that forum. if you join it, that may help you.

[Peter Walker]

I am new to the group, and my mind is reeling from an internet search for the most effective/economical Rife machine.

In this forum's FAQ section is a topic named "How are Rife manufacturers compared?" The author outlined a very impressive idea for compiling a list to compare, yet I can not find it yet on this site? Am I missing it, or is it elsewhere? Can anybody help???

Thank you so much for your time.

Hi Doug,
the project to compare a wide range of devices has been on hold for some time due to other projects. However, I do hope to restart that project here on this forum during this year.

Regards

Peter

[Bernard Ong]

Hi,

I have been on the YAHOO! Rife Group for a few years now. I am very convinced of the beneficial effects of Rife technology, and have always wanted to buy some of those devices frequently mentioned in the Group. However, I am much confused by the numerous machines available on the market, each claiming to be the best. As such, Peter Walker's initiative to establish a comparison system on this platform is long overdue and much welcome.

I like to express my personal gratitude to Mr. Walker for the invaluable contribution and immense sacrifice he has made for the benefit of mankind in general, and the Rife community in particular.

Keep it up, Peter.

[Annie Andrey]

HEAR! HEAR! Thank you Peter! :grin:

I also second the following:

"As such, Peter Walker's initiative to establish a comparison system on this platform is long overdue and much welcome." :hihi:

Thanks Bernard! :wink:
@nnie

[Rick Sacks]

A friend has been diagnosed with advanced prostste cancer and is in need of some help. After diong some reading and looking around I find some Rife machines to have handles that you hold and some to use light. What should I be looking for? I see so many alternatives and I don't have that much time to read volumes of study material. If I might glean from the research others have done and save the time I would be appreciative.

[Michael Tigchelaar]

A friend has been diagnosed with advanced prostste cancer and is in need of some help. After diong some reading and looking around I find some Rife machines to have handles that you hold and some to use light. What should I be looking for? I see so many alternatives and I don't have that much time to read volumes of study material. If I might glean from the research others have done and save the time I would be appreciative.

SEE: http://truerife.com/TrueRifeQuestions.html

Mike www.truerife.com (http://www.truerife.com)

[Rick Sacks]

Are there places that rent the equipment so the burden of the thousands of dollars might be avoided?

[Randall Haislip]

Hello Rick
As you have found out by now, its very easy to invest several thousands of dollars in this equipment if you've got it to spend.
I think if I was in the position of your friend I would spend that money on a airline ticket to Austraila to visit the clinic of Dr. John Holt who has the only proven protocol for defeating most cancers.
More information on Dr. John Holt can be located on this website.
Best Wishes
randall

[Stephen Freeman]

Hi Randall andothers,
I am so very new to all of this. I am a Physical Therapist, specializing in Electromyography, (nerve and muscle testing) for 31 years. I actually have a friend dying of 2 forms of cancer his namd is also Randall..anyway I have read a great deal on the NET and certainly buy all of how this science has been squashed by the big boys...I have recently purchased some of the CD with Freq's and the bood about Cancer . Need to learn a great deal. Just facinated by the whole deal. I am also curious about what machine to buy if I were to get one....though not personally in the market, I would very much like to feel comfortable in what to suggest to someone..
ALSO does any one have any experience with using the CD programs and computer speakers, or headphones.. ?
I have also wanted to know if the treatment Frequencies are in the 20 to 20 range that is "in theory" audible to the human ear, or are these Freq's and the harmonics in differnet areas not audible.
Great to hear from anyone.
Thanks to all
Stephen Freeman
252-726-1192 USA

[Jeff Garff]

SEE: http://truerife.com/TrueRifeQuestions.html

Mike www.truerife.com (http://www.truerife.com)


Hello Michael Tigchelaar

The answer that you have given on you web site under “Contact Vs Plasma” in regards to pad devices would be good if it was correct. Many scientific tests called “Bio-Electrical Impedance Analysis” have been done on the human body which show that your description and answer is not correct. These tests prove that low frequencies (5,000 hertz) will penetrate the body but only go through the connective tissue. They will not go into the cell. “The Skin Effect” would only apply if the human body was made of copper. The real question is “What is the Cell Effect.” These many impedance tests show that at about 1MHz (1 million cycles per second or hertz) there is no more resistance in the biological tissue of the body. Low frequencies below about 10,000 hertz only travel through the connective tissue of the body. At about 10,000 hertz frequencies begin to penetrate the outside layers of the cell. This scale gradually goes up so that at about 100,000 hertz penetration into the cell is very noticeable. From 100,000 hertz to 1,000,000 hertz (1MHz) penetration into the cell is significant until full penetration is achieved at 1MHz.

Your description of pad devices as being like a kitchen “stove” which “transfer their energy through surfaces and therefore are excellent in treating the blood, but may have some limitations as regards full body penetration” is giving people incorrect information.
These scientific tests also show the body to be about 450 to 500 ohms not “1 million ohms.” This 450 to 500 ohms is an overall figure because the legs are different that the arms and the arms are different than the torso.

These tests prove that the frequencies from a pad instruments are not like putting a “turkey on top of the stoves burner vs a pot of water which conducts energy much easier”. These scientific “Bio-Electrical Impedance Analysis” test prove that low audio frequencies from a pad device penetrate into the body and go throughout all the connective tissue. If higher frequencies are used, such as a carrier frequency of at least 1MHz then full penetration of these audio frequencies is made into the cells and the bone.

It would be better to give people correct information so that they can make a more informed decision. Here is a link to one of these scientific tests that was on the web.

http://www.rifevideos.com/pdf/skin_effect_and_bio-impedance_analysis.pdf (http://www.rifevideos.com/pdf/skin_effect_and_bio-impedance_analysis.pdf)


Best wishes
Jeff Garff
www.rifevideos.com

[Jason Ringas]

Hello Michael Tigchelaar

The answer that you have given on you web site under “Contact Vs Plasma” in regards to pad devices would be good if it was correct.
<snip>
It would be better to give people correct information so that they can make a more informed decision. <snip>


A far more seriously incorrect statement that Michael is making is in calling his web site and machines "True Rife". They are not "true Rife", and calling them such is a misrepresentation of and disservice to Rife's name and legacy. Any clinical therapeutic efficacy his machines may produce is irrelevant to the point being made.

The biggest obstacle to the advancement of "true" Rife research is the Rife community's misrepresentation of what a "true Rife" machine is, and the methodolgy used to establish it as "true Rife". This ultimately filters down into people being confused as to how to proceed, what machine to buy, etc.

Regards,


Jason

[Jeff Garff]

A far more seriously incorrect statement that Michael is making is in calling his web site and machines "True Rife". They are not "true Rife", and calling them such is a misrepresentation of and disservice to Rife's name and legacy. Any clinical therapeutic efficacy his machines may produce is irrelevant to the point being made.

The biggest obstacle to the advancement of "true" Rife research is the Rife community's misrepresentation of what a "true Rife" machine is, and the methodolgy used to establish it as "true Rife". This ultimately filters down into people being confused as to how to proceed, what machine to buy, etc.

Regards,


Jason




Hello Jason,

Your point is well taken. Dr. Rife made this statement on the Rife CDs.

“Well it’s been called a half a dozen different things, a frequency device now, but it was called a Rife ray at one time. I made them stop that because I didn’t want my name on it. Some quack might get a hold of it.”

Because of this statement Rife made we closed all of our web sites that had his name on them and took his name off of our instrument. How could we honor him and then put his name on our machine.

Jeff
www.rifevideos.com

[Jason Ringas]

Hello Jason,

Your point is well taken. Dr. Rife made this statement on the Rife CDs.

“Well it’s been called a half a dozen different things, a frequency device now, but it was called a Rife ray at one time. I made them stop that because I didn’t want my name on it. Some quack might get a hold of it.”

Because of this statement Rife made we closed all of our web sites that had his name on them and took his name off of our instrument. How could we honor him and then put his name on our machine.

Jeff
www.rifevideos.com

Good point. I wouldn't have so much of a problem with a machine being called "Rife", if it actually was a "true Rife" machine. As I've said so many times before, at present, there's no such thing as a "true Rife" machine. I really wish people would stop abusing Rife's name for their own interests. It is a very sad reality that in many respects, it is we the Rife community that have become the quacks that Rife feared would sully his name and reputation. That may be a harsh statement, but I believe it's a totally true one, and all would do well to reflect upon it.

Regards,


Jason

[Michael Tigchelaar]

As regards our published research on body impact energy, we are in full agreement with your research as regards frequency penetration to the cells. We were discussing impact energy not frequency penetration. Even A.M. and F.M. broadcast penetrate our cells. But what is the impact energy? Is it really sufficient enough cause damage?

Having said this, we do not argue with results. If a Pad device is demonstrated to reduce the viral load of HIV through a comparitive study great! We do not have a problem with pad / contact devices. We actually produce a contact device ourselves and have reports of excellent results.

Rife Plasma and Pad devices however operate on entirely different principles of ENERGY transference.

We are in favor of both pad and plasma. Both methods of energy transference have their own advantages and disadvantages. We recommend both.

Mike www.truerife.com (http://www.truerife.com)

[Stephen Freeman]

Hi MIke and other
I am a Physical therapist doing Electromyography for 31 years. that is a fancy muscle and nerve test. I use a gel "Sonigel" when placing my electrodes on the ski. I tape them on.."OLd School" the newer ones are self adhesive and pre gelled...anyway I use Sonigel, as even with a slight air space the current I use will not effeciently pass from electrode to and into the skin and eventuyally into the nerve tissue which I am testing. I have read many of the Forum posts and have not seen any mention of a gel. I know that with Ulatrsound..which I have also used...that we need to Sonigel for the same reasons...and then you have the OB-GYN doctors using the gel for ultrasound of pregnang women. ....Hmm in just a though just now....could or would a clinical ultrasound unit used by therapist, and chiropracters, also work as a Rife..."if you could find the freqs.?

Anyway I was just want to ask or inquire about the Gel ussage.
All Be Blessed
Stephen Freeman North Carolina
Sfreeman@ec.rr.com

[Jason Ringas]

<snip>
Anyway I was just want to ask or inquire about the Gel ussage.


I've used a pad machine with both self-adhesive and gel type electrodes. They both work fine. They're more for a focused type of application rather than a generalized whole body type of set-up that is commonly used.

Regards,


Jason

[Jeff Garff]

Hello Michael Tigchelaar

I appreciate you giving an explanation but I have a few questions before I am willing to accept your explanation.

First I would like to say, this research on “Bio-Impedance Analysis” is not our research. These are independent scientific tests that have been done on “Bio-Impedance Analysis” with regards to frequency penetration into the human body. As you know there are two different types of pad instruments. Some of them use a carrier frequency and some do not. Frequencies output from a non-carrier instrument, in square wave form, produce harmonics up to about 500,000 hertz. We have tested this on a spectrum analyzer. This can account for a significant amount of cell penetration in the body according to these Bio-Impedance tests. The energy that comes from an RF carrier instrument will create a very strong electromagnetic field which can be read with a tri-field meter just the same as a ray tube and these “Bio-Impedance Analysis” tests prove that energy can fully penetrate the cells of the body. I mention this because the many reports on “Bio-Impedance Analysis” discuss RF frequencies up to 1 MHz and the fact that the human body has no resistance to frequencies of this range or higher.

<As regards our published research on body impact energy, we are in full agreement with your research as regards frequency penetration to the cells. We were discussing impact energy not frequency penetration. Even A.M. and F.M. broadcast penetrate our cells. But what is the impact energy? Is it really sufficient enough cause damage?>

Here are a few of my questions. Do you have any scientific papers on this “Body Impact Energy”? I have never heard of it before. How do you measure it coming out of the ray tube? How do you measure it in the body? Also how do you determine that it is penetrating the cells? Is your published research, your research, or is it independent scientific tests that have been done in laboratories on EM plasma devices proving they have superior “Body Impact Energy”?

The reason I ask these questions is, I do not see any scientific information on your site backing up your claim. I am not trying to be negative about EM devices because I have seen too many good results with the people who use them. But if you do have independent scientific tests that substantiate your claim then I would really like to get that information because I believe it would be very helpful. Without this kind of proof, what you say on your web site is nothing but your personal opinion and your claim is still misleading and incorrect. When I first started to talk about “Bio-Impedance Analysis” many people wanted me to send them the scientific proof, which I did.

<Rife Plasma and Pad devices however operate on entirely different principles of ENERGY transference>

I do not have a problem with the fact that RF Pad and Plasma work on different methods of transferring energy. But the real question is does it really make any difference? The reason I bring this up is, if it really does make a big difference then the EMEM type of instruments, like pad instruments, have a couple of problems. The first problem is, Rife used RF frequencies output through a ray tube and this is how he found the M.O.R.s that resonated with the organisms. Rife’s method of energy transfer was RF. His frequencies ranged from 139,200 hertz for Anthrax to 1,604,000 for the BX and BY organisms. The second problem is, EMEM ray tube instruments cannot reach this frequency range because they are specifically built to work on EM energy in the low audio frequency range. The energy from an RF ray tube is different than the energy from an EMEM type of ray tube. An RF pad instrument does not use a ray tube so this could be the main problem with them but they can output the RF frequencies that Rife used. Dr. Robert P. Stafford reported that his tests with the audio frequencies on Staph and Strep cultures had no effect on the organism. Many others have done the same tests with the same results. After all of Dr. Stafford’s testing he came to the conclusion that all the audio frequencies did was to boost the immune system. So which is more important the correct frequency or the ray tube? We all may be on shaky ground.

If the method of energy transfer really matters as I mentioned earlier then how can an EM instrument be called a “Rife plasma device” when it is not built on any of Rife’s original principles. We call our instrument a “Function Generator” not a “Rife Machine”. No pad instrument should ever be called a Rife machine.

Since Rife did not want his name put on any instrument then the only thing you can call your instrument is an “EM Plasma Device” not a “Rife Plasma Device.” Even if in the future Rife’s method of devitalizing organisms is fully figured out it should never have his name put on it because of his request. As I motioned earlier we removed Rife’s name off of our instrument when we listened to the audio tapes and heard Rife say he didn’t want his name put on any instrument.

<If a Pad device is demonstrated to reduce the viral load of HIV through a comparitive study great!>

Has your HIV study been confirmed by independent medical trials. None of the good results that we have seen with people who have used pad instruments on HIV have been verified by studies. So I do not think personal claims are of much value in arguing this point.

Jeff Garff




As regards our published research on body impact energy, we are in full agreement with your research as regards frequency penetration to the cells. We were discussing impact energy not frequency penetration. Even A.M. and F.M. broadcast penetrate our cells. But what is the impact energy? Is it really sufficient enough cause damage?

Having said this, we do not argue with results. If a Pad device is demonstrated to reduce the viral load of HIV through a comparitive study great! We do not have a problem with pad / contact devices. We actually produce a contact device ourselves and have reports of excellent results.

Rife Plasma and Pad devices however operate on entirely different principles of ENERGY transference.

We are in favor of both pad and plasma. Both methods of energy transference have their own advantages and disadvantages. We recommend both.

Mike www.truerife.com (http://www.truerife.com)

[Jason Ringas]

In reference to the debate on plasma tube versus pad type applications, I've never seen any definite information on the subject. We just don't know at this juncture if the plasma tube adds something "extra", making it a necessity. If anyone makes a claim or implication that their machine is "better", because it uses a plasma tube, they should back it up with some solid evidence. By the same token, if someone claims that the plasma tube is not necessary, then that should be backed up too.

This comes back to the fundamental issues of what is Rife research, Rife technology, and Rife therapy? Despite all that we've learned over the years, there are still many people who blatantly misrepresent the matter. As I've said so many times before, "Rife" is not about any particular hardware, it's about a methodology. It doesn't matter if you use pads, plasma tubes, vacuum tubes, transistors, analog, digital, or whatever else. If you can produce the "Rife effect", and can demonstrate it with the same methodology that Rife used, that's all that matters. In "Rife therapy", you shouldn't really be talking about what disease you're treating, but rather what microorganism you're trying to devitalize. In Rife's hand-written lab notes, they didn't "ray" the experimental animals for cancer, they "rayed" them for the BX organism. The fact that Rife believed the BX organism was the cause of the cancer is beside the point. "Rife therapy" is founded upon rigorous laboratory research and testing, not clinical trials or results. Clinical results may be the ultimate goal, but if your "therapy" is not founded upon, or is somehow divorced from in vitro laboratory research, it's not "Rife therapy" and it's not "Rife research". Anyone claiming otherwise is misrepresenting the matter, and is "muddying the water". They are not only doing a disservice to Rife's name and legacy, but are doing a disservice to the broader field of electrotherapy. This misrepresentation and in some cases outright fraud needs to stop.

Regards,


Jason

P.S. Who disagrees with what I've said here, and why? What I've said here is the crux of what Rife is all about, so I would like to hear what any objections may be and why.

[Mike Kirkpatrick]

I just found this discussion, and now have a few questions for Mr. Garff:

I notice that the GB-4000 is now being offered with an Emem-type plasma device.

1. Can you run the carrier from the GB-4000 through the Emem?
2. What is the highest frequency from the GB-4000 that can be run through the Emem?
3. Is the Emem-SRX 10Khz (as stated on one page of your website) or 10,000,000 Hz as stated on another page?
4. Can the amp be used with the Emem?

Thank you,

Mike

[Jeff Garff]

Hello Mike,

I hope these answers will be helpful.

>I just found this discussion, and now have a few questions for Mr. Garff:
I notice that the GB-4000 is now being offered with an Emem-type plasma device.

This site is one of our distributors site. We do not built the Emem-SRX.

>1. Can you run the carrier from the GB-4000 through the Emem?

No. If you use the carrier frequency it will damage it.

>2. What is the highest frequency from the GB-4000 that can be run through the Emem?

I believe that you can run up to 10,000 hertz through it.

>3. Is the Emem-SRX 10Khz (as stated on one page of your website) or 10,000,000 Hz as stated on another page?

The Emem-SRX can output up to 10,000,000 Hz if you use it as a stand alone instrument. But you need to understand that it only outputs 1/10 of one watt (0.10). This is all the FCC will allow. So the power is very limited. Dr. Rife’s 1934 instrument was 500 times more powerful.

>4. Can the amp be used with the Emem?

No. It will damage it.

Best wishes
Jeff Garff

[Stephen Freeman]

I have not read on the Rife forum in a couple of weeks, but received nontification about the recent post regarding Equipment. I also just this past week read what is loosly called the Copmparet papers or files..here is the link to 49 pages of very interesting information abot freqs. and power and other intersting things Bertrand L Comparet was Dr Rife's attorney, and has very intersting information in his article.
http://www.rife.org/john%20marsh/rifeinstrumenthistory.pdf (http://www.rife.org/john%20marsh/rifeinstrumenthistory.pdf)

What is interesting and what I am Now asking.. I am beginning to understand carrier freq..as pointed out in the Comparet article. I am curios about several machines I am considering getting, as to how Srtong an output power the machines put out. One is the Plasma Plus, One made by Bruce Stenulson the SYSTEM 8CE EM+ and the 3rd is the
GB-04000. I love the looks and compactness of the GB- 4000 and the price is also nice. The other two units use both plasma tubes with rays a well, as I understand it, you can use contact plates as well. There may be others but nothing has sparked my interest like these 3 machines. The GB has a great way to read freq, the other 2 units seem to have a thrown together way of reading Frq, but I do like other features of the other units.

I have not read enough, or have understood RIFE long enough...only 3 or 4 weeks now... to grasp all that either unit will or will not do. But I do want a strong machine with high output. Using plasma tubes sounds like it "covers more teritory" where as the pads or plates seem less coverage or possibly peneration. I am not particularily worried about being discovered wtih broadcasting waves into the air as did occure in the Comparet article above.
I have been told by one user of the 8CE EM+ machine that is is stong but the foot print is not that large, and fades after about 12 feet, but is very stong inside of that range. I do not know if the 8CE or the Plasma Plus use carrier waves..as I definitely feel this is something very valid that you need. I am a Physical Therapis, wanting to learn more and have volunteer research subjects , but have no plans to use any unit in my practic or with any of my patients.
Any one wanting to comment or clarify my head or my questons would be greatly appreciatd. Also has anyone or many of you heard of the DNA frequencies being used and developed by Charlen Boehm.

Thanks to all involved with this facinating information
Coastalguy

[Daniel Bergman]

None of Bruce Stenulson's machines use a carrier frequency. He feels it is not needed and promotes electro-sensitivity. Although it may be possible to do it with an external frequency generator. I have thought of using my GB-4000 to drive it, but I need to buy one first.

Of course, it would be totally illegal to run it that way.

Dan Bergman

[Randall Haislip]

Dan is correct in that the 8ce EM+ unit does not incorporate a carrier frequency and it is also true that the unit does not need one.
The plasma field generated from the double bubble tubes is similar to a pulsed magnetic field in that the field penetrates 100% without the need for a carrier frequency.
Crane/pad devices, because they output dc electricity do require a carrier frequency to penetrate below skin debth though there is no garrantee that the "juice" will affect deep tissue organs. Though I hope it does.
I will say that the 8 or 9ce EM systems are not for everyone, these systems are for researchers who refuse to trust some manufacture to do their thinking for them! As is promoted by the maker of the Plasma Plus II on their webpage:
"The Plasma Plus II does all the thinking for you."
Thats the same song the medical profession sings. Thats the same song Preachers sing, thats the same song Politicians sing.....everybody knows whats best for you but you.
I realize many people do not have the desire to delve as deeply into frequency research and application as I do and it is indeed a Good thing that the mfg's. do. There are many other units out there that are excellent for normal people.
Though I have incorporated the use of Atler Robin's F-125 frequency generator to supply frequencies to the "8" I could have used Ken Uzalls, Frex 16 software and saved a lot of money.Or I could have used the GB4000 as a frequency generator without breaking any known laws.
The choices facing people getting into this field are daunting and am I glad I'm not one of them.
Best wishes
randall

[Randall Haislip]

Regarding the 8CE EM+ and Power:
I've been using this system for over a year now and at all power levels but never experienced anything to compare the last 24 hours.
Last evening I decided to run a frequency set for Clymadia pheunomiae(available from Char Bohem at DNA Pathogen Frequencies (http://www.dnafrequencies.com/))
I set up the "8" to incorporate the use of 2, double bubble tubes and one grounding tube ( for the feet). I intutively chose the 4th power setting (150) from a possible 9.
To my astonishment, this lower power setting I seldom use was very uncomfortable to hold on to.
I surmised that the energy from tubes was being absorbed into my system by "something" like a sponge soaking up water.(hopefully Clymadia) Strictly a guess.
There is no way I could have held onto those tubes at the next power level up, which is where I normall start a run.
I went to bed that evening with my equaliberum "off"
I awoke this morning with the same condition with the added phenomon of being slightly incoherent....like being very mildly drunk.
After a few hours the conditions persisted...I called Bruce.
He suggested a set of frequencies to assist energy stabilization which I ran and after a nap got up feeling 95%.
Moral of the story: in your quest for more power, be carefull how you apply it. I certainly will be.
randall

[Toby Montry]

Digital frequency using headphones do not work. And actually digital frequency from cds can cause a cancer. WHAT works is analog. But not all head phones are good. The best way is to use a subwofer the type with a front speaker at least 12 inch 15 is better. Play the ANALOG frequency (I am talking about low frequency I am not sure about high frequency. I think you can keep dividing it down by 2 to get the lower frequency. Play that. It wont harm other people in the room if your body dont need it, no effect. but best to be out of the room if you dont need the frequency.
I have been studying it for a year (low frequency not Rife high frequency). I have had sucuess on back pain and I had a runny nose a few times and I listened to 22.02 (frequency for vitimin C) and with in seconds my nose stoped running.　　I know that it is not a major disease but it WORKED!!!

>ALSO does any one have any experience with using the CD programs and computer speakers, or headphones.. ?

[Michael Tigchelaar]

What is the difference between using a sound card that are used by some Rife Manufacturers as a frequency generator as opposed to the Atelier Robin frequency generators used by TrueRife?
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The F-117 uses a true precision frequency generator as opposed to
sound cards which have severe limitations.

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The most advance computer controlled frequency
generator is the heart of TrueRife machines

(The duplication of the F-117 Internal frequency generator represents at least a $100,000 investment to engineer. This is why some vendors use "cheap" ineffective audio sound cards within their system. The clue as to if a cheap sound card is being used is the manufacturer will advertise that you can run his system with a MP 3 player)

This question was posed to our Manufacturer. This is the response:

Hi Mike,

The main difference between a sound card and our frequency generators is bandwidth. The other difference, not strictly related to the limitations of a sound card is programmability. I am not aware of a software as flexible as F100 that works with sound cards. As far as bandwidth, It is one difference that has major implications for the different features you use with our generators: square waves, duty cycle control.

To produce a reasonable square wave at 10KHZ for example, you need a generator with a bandwidth of at least 200 KHZ. The higher the bandwidth,the more square the wave will be and the more harmonics it contains. A PC sound card tops at 20KHZ (180 KHZ short) The F117 has a square wave with a rise/fall time of a few nano-seconds. That translates into a bandwidth in the 800 MHZ region for the F-117 frequency generator.

Duty cycle control is another feature that requires high bandwidth and precise wave form control simply not possible with a PC sound card.

Best Regards,

Patrick Robin


These are the Specs of the board used in TrueRife systems:

Specifications:

DDS square wave frequency generation controlled by internal 32 bit processor
MS-Windows F100 3.0 software to control the F110 from a PC USB port.
Program file format fully compatible with F100 2.0 and our previous generators
2 internal channels: A:1.5 MHZ, B:100 KHZ
1 output 5 V TTL.
Channels A,B can be routed to the output in any combination (see note 2)
Any of the 2 internal channels can be used as a carrier for the other channel
Channel A,B frequency resolution: .01 HZ
Reference quartz oscillator stability: 50 ppm
Channels A,B duty cycle programmable.
Can be programmed to automatically load and run a program at powerup in standalone mode without the need for a PC.
Max output current 100 ma

Bandwidth 800 MHZ

Question: Why does TrueRife have so much greater Radiant energy output as compared to other systems?
(Measurements taken at 200 Hz
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There are possibly two reasons:
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1. The device is not properly balanced to deliver maximum power to the Plasma Tube or the
Electrodes or has too little power internally. Some devices boasting higher frequency ranges
are using something similar to a high voltage neon sign transformer to generate high voltage to light the
plasma tube (bulb). These transformers have very little EMF output but do light the tube. It
is comparable to standing in front of a neon sign.

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2. Rife tube has no electrodes: The tube picture above has NO electrodes but attempts to deliver power by winding high voltage wire around the glass. This has a "choking effect" on signal input and output reducing a 300 Watt system to the output of a 65 Watt Light bulb. This setup also induces excessive heat on the internal components often resulting in early failure of the device. Bulb life is also reduced dramatically as the high voltage wire over time burns or arcs through the glass resulting in tube failure. __________________________________________________ ___________________

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TrueRife Technician Preparing Bulbs / We stock all of types of Rife bulbs built to our specifications

TrueRife has worked with the leading bulb manufacturer in the world (Barry Allred).

TrueRife uses specialty bulbs that are manufactured specifically for Rife applications.
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Question: How do Novelty Plasma Balls compare to TrueRife / Allred Bulbs?

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Novelty bulb Rife original double bubble TrueRife Double Bubble

Some vendors are promoting toy novelty bulbs sold by Radio Shack or Wal-Mart as a substitute for professionally manufactured Rife bulbs.

It should be noted that these inexpensive novelty bulbs are simply not the same "animal" as custom manufactured TrueRife / Allred Bulbs. Novelty plasma bulbs will produce a plasma photonic emission (light), but do not have "getters" incorporated inside of the tubes to guarantee clean and strong frequency emission. The Novelty plasma bulb output signal is inferior to say the least as it was designed for entertainment, not for Rife applications.

This is an explanation of what is involved in the manufacturing of our bulbs:

Barry Allred's Comments on the GETTERS incorporated into his tubes

In answer to your inquiries about an internal electrode getter, here is what I can offer as to an explanation. The coating most commonly used is barium strontium carbonate, which is reduced to barium strontium oxide during the heating of the tube manufacture. The oxide coating is a good source of free electrons. In laymen's terms, the getter works as a scavenger inside the tube which is heated 100's of degrees to drive out and open the deep layers of the glass.

As the glass is heated, the electrodes turn cherry red, thus breaking down the barium inside the tube, which is trapped within the walls when it cools back down. After the tube is vacuumed, then gassed, and pressured, then the tube is sealed. This can leave a small impurity in the tube, from the hand torch. Having barium inside the tube, enables the tube to age in on a burn in transformer, usually 60 milliamps. After the heat inside the tube dissipates and the tube begins to burn cool, it is ready to be shipped.

A tube that has been properly pumped will have very little heat with better impedance for a cleaner signal. Ceramic collars are used to keep the gases clean and to keep down impurities.

When a tube is properly pumped and aged, a tube will last 30 years. I have been bending and processing for over 30 years, and have tubes in service that are still burning.

Barry Allred
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